I don’t trust other reviews. I always wait for rtings reviews before I decide which product I will buy. The end consumer should never be deceived or buy products blindly.
Unfortunately, this isn’t data we have at the moment, but we did add this to our retest queue.
We’ll do our best to look into it ASAP, and when we do, we’ll follow up with our results!
I recommend creating a custom resolution on hdmi 2.1 at 153hz 10 bit 4:4:4. That will be uncompressed which means dsc free. Not worth 160hz on displayport using dsc, rule of thumb, only use dsc if you really need and avoid dsc if you are having issues.
Are you connecting using hdmi 2.1 or displayport 1.4? Can somebody tell me if this model has the full 48g on hdmi 2.1 or like the m32u it has only 24g?
Unfortunately, we only know the number of dimming zones for the 65’‘ and 75’‘ models. However, if we come across this information, we’ll make sure to include it in our review!
None that we’re aware of unfortunately. If we knew of any tricks or tips to help with it, we’d make sure to mention it in the flicker section of our review. That’s a fair point about room brightness though.
I was afraid so, so extra careful before buying a monitor. A monitor must be flicker free if longer hours are spent on it.
“Generally speaking, you just want avoid situations where you have a very bright TV in a very dark room because that could cause eye-strain.”
That is a very important tip people must know before choosing a monitor, many people don’t know about it, thanks for the reply.
Hi Elhomero,
The Flicker-Free score you are referencing is scored based off our suggested settings, which in this case is Movie picture mode. This is scored exclusively from what PWM Dimming Frequency we read while running this test. The 960Hz that we see in Movie mode represents what most users will experience with this TV while using it in Movie mode at moderate brightness levels (only from 47-50 brightness setting or 8% of the range do we see it drop). We did check to see if the 120Hz was visible while at peak brightness in Movie mode and it was not noticeable to the handful of testers that looked at this. That said, you’re right. Even if we couldn’t see it, it could still cause eyestrain/headaches.
I am not totally sure why Samsung does this, but this seems to be a characteristic of their PWM implementation on some of their units. Regardless, I also wanted to let you know this sparked an interesting debate between our display team, so we appreciate you reaching out.
Is there a way to minimize or eliminate the flicker issue? I want to use this tv as a monitor and while using it , I want to keep eye strain to a minimum as I spend a lot of time(14 hours or so) in front of a computer monitor. Also I heard from an eye doctor that is always good to keep your room as bright as possible to reduce eye strain and as this TV is for bright room, this could be a good tv as monitor, desktop PC 100%.
Retail unit is final and should be considered as final, getting cherry picked units sent by companies is not what I would say the correct procedure, people buy retail units and reviews should follow as such, now if you are saying the company has quality issues which might make some units differ from the intended product then such companies should be warned to the public in question to never buy any products from that company cause that does not represent customer quality assurance for that matter. Quality assurance should be taken seriously by any company.
I just checked its review at rtings and like 90% of focal headphones, they have a great bass, good mid, bad treble, terrible soundstage and frequency response consistency, disappointing. I thought the Stellia could do better than this but looking at reviews of other focal headphones, I must say that, this is it. The rest are all hype and like you said overrated, matter of fact all focal headphones share that in common, too much hype and overrated. The focal utopia is no different.
As far as I can tell, the frequency response looks very good, other than that we would have to wait for the review at rtings to see how well the frequency response actually is. I was very impressed.
The BOSE QuietComfort 25 is “the best wired headphones” at rtings and it doesn’t need to sound good, all these issues regarding sound is irrelevant. Soon people will not buy headphones for the sound anymore cause some are telling them that sound quality is not needed, reason why most people buy boses or beats. The media marketing hype is too strong. I wonder what would happen if bose or beats created a true audiophile headphones, would they be treated as other audiophile headphones? don’t count it on. No wonder why the audiophile community don’t like boses or beats at all.
the QC 25 are more versatile, well-rounded headphones which makes them better for most people.
That said, your concern is an important one, so we clarified in the introduction that the Best Wired Headphones picks include a broad range of headphones for various use cases that would benefit from a wired connection, from gaming, to critical listening, to casual use and have included the links to the best audiophile headphones in the text of the Sennheiser HD 800 S as well.
Thanks for your reply, I knew this would be a pointless errand to begin with, you at rtings have scores for determined set of varied ranges, from Latency to Leakage, Soundstage, Sound, Noise Isolation, Frequency Response, Distortion, Imaging, Usage, Build and so on and regarding them the “QC 25 are more versatile”. Even though the QC 25 is inferior to sound than most audiophile headphones and sound being the most important aspect in the headphones hence why manufactures charge 3 to 10 times more for them than the QC 25. You at rtings by your comment based on your tests have this criteria that the sound of the Hifiman Ananda for example does not outperform all the other aspects that make the “QC 25 more versatile”. So in other words, sound is not as important as the other features at rtings, my point being audiophile headphones will never be as good as other non audiophile headphones on other tests, so an audiophile headphone will never be “The Best Wired Headphones” because it was designed for sound and that is not enough to make them “The Best Wired Headphones” at rtings , such a pity. I rest my case.
The Steelseries Arctis Pro Wireless comes with a wireless transmitter base station, that’s different from the DAC/amp of the GameDac variant. The GameDac is certified for High Res 24 bit audio but the wireless transmitter isn’t.
Thanks for bringing to our attention this concern. The intention of the Best Wired Headphones article is to showcase wired headphones that are great for a variety of use cases; whether it’s critical listening, gaming or for just casual use. We included links in the introduction to the best audiophile, DJ and studio headphones for those looking for more specialized headphones with greater sound quality.
We included the Sennheiser HD 800 S as the critical listening alternative to demonstrate how, although they may not be ideal for casual users, they’re better for critical listeners. The Audio-Technica ATH-M50X are also mentioned there. However, from what you’re saying the focus of the article doesn’t seem clear. Do you have any ideas or suggestions to make this more obvious? We want to make sure our articles best reflect what is best for our readers so we’re open to feedback on what changes you think we should make.
Thank you for your reply, my suggestion reflects from what you said, “Best Casual Wired Headphones” would do. From my perspective “Best Wired Headphones” is really the best wired headphones and those are not cheap, usually the best wired headphones are from $499 to 10.000 usd, all best wired headphones that were reviewed to date at rtings should be included in the “Best Wired Headphones” page, for example like the TV section, “https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/best/tvs-on-the-market”.
If I were a dummy user, imagine coming here and seeing the “best wired headphones” page and I read it and I wanted to buy the “The Best Wired Headphones” hence the “Bose QuietComfort 25”, now imagine a friend had bought a Hifiman Ananda, we would discuss forever and ever about it and I would win the argument with my “Bose QuietComfort 25” since your are the professional and in the page clearly states “The Best Wired Headphones” is the Bose QuietComfort 25.
Only the Arctis Pro + GameDac are HighRes 24 bit audio certified, So, unfortunately, the Arctis Pro Wireless does not support 24-bit audio, even when plugged in.
I think i got things mixed then, I thought the wireless version had its gamedac included with it because it is already expensive, so it seems it does not come with the gamedac then?
You will only get 24bit if on 2.4ghz wireless or wired connection, anything on Bluetooth is compressed at this time and i think it hardly goes above 16 bit.
I would be certain that all IEMs regardless of price wouldn’t measure well on here and wouldn’t score past 7.3 in sound. This is due to their inherently poor soundstage ability and generally not truly flat frequency response. I’m curious to see what the Campfire Andromeda’s would measure out here.
Almost all reviews i saw here concerning earbuds or iem’s have a soundstage score of 0.9, in general they are bad concerning that. From what I understand the hype should come from the sound quality from the dm6 which if you see here is poor hence a score of 6.6 critical Listening, the best for that is the Bose SoundSport Wireless which holds a 7.5 score, here is the comparison between them https://www.rtings.com/headphones/tools/compare/bose-soundsport-wireless-vs-bgvp-dm6/358/786
I would like to know about this too, I also wonder why the SteelSeries Arctis Pro Wireless version is better at critical listening than the normal SteelSeries Arctis Pro wired, wireless sound is much more expensive as it needs a transmitter, a receiver, a DAC and an amplifier to be as good as a wired one plus Bluetooth, given the limited bandwidth of it, it is impossible to transmit audio without some lossy data compression. Also I would like to ask if you tested it without the gamedac, maybe this gamedac is the problem, i saw somebody say that it needs the gamedac to give the high resolution audio option, is that the truth? other than that thanks for all your reviews, I enjoy every bit of data here.
I don’t trust other reviews. I always wait for rtings reviews before I decide which product I will buy. The end consumer should never be deceived or buy products blindly.
Thank you, looking forward to.
They don’t, they are outsourcing from Chinese manufactures.
I hope it helps, https://youtu.be/xUdqjdXKUrQ
I recommend creating a custom resolution on hdmi 2.1 at 153hz 10 bit 4:4:4. That will be uncompressed which means dsc free. Not worth 160hz on displayport using dsc, rule of thumb, only use dsc if you really need and avoid dsc if you are having issues.
Are you connecting using hdmi 2.1 or displayport 1.4? Can somebody tell me if this model has the full 48g on hdmi 2.1 or like the m32u it has only 24g?
Thank you Dylan.
I was afraid so, so extra careful before buying a monitor. A monitor must be flicker free if longer hours are spent on it.
“Generally speaking, you just want avoid situations where you have a very bright TV in a very dark room because that could cause eye-strain.”
That is a very important tip people must know before choosing a monitor, many people don’t know about it, thanks for the reply.
Is there a way to minimize or eliminate the flicker issue? I want to use this tv as a monitor and while using it , I want to keep eye strain to a minimum as I spend a lot of time(14 hours or so) in front of a computer monitor. Also I heard from an eye doctor that is always good to keep your room as bright as possible to reduce eye strain and as this TV is for bright room, this could be a good tv as monitor, desktop PC 100%.
Price wise, they are on the $75 to $150 price brackets, both are pretty much equal in terms regarding sound quality. https://www.rtings.com/headphones/tools/compare/sennheiser-hd-599-vs-philips-shp9500/408/371?usage=5003&threshold=0.1
I would get the cheapest.
“better-matched unit”
Retail unit is final and should be considered as final, getting cherry picked units sent by companies is not what I would say the correct procedure, people buy retail units and reviews should follow as such, now if you are saying the company has quality issues which might make some units differ from the intended product then such companies should be warned to the public in question to never buy any products from that company cause that does not represent customer quality assurance for that matter. Quality assurance should be taken seriously by any company.
I just checked its review at rtings and like 90% of focal headphones, they have a great bass, good mid, bad treble, terrible soundstage and frequency response consistency, disappointing. I thought the Stellia could do better than this but looking at reviews of other focal headphones, I must say that, this is it. The rest are all hype and like you said overrated, matter of fact all focal headphones share that in common, too much hype and overrated. The focal utopia is no different.
As far as I can tell, the frequency response looks very good, other than that we would have to wait for the review at rtings to see how well the frequency response actually is. I was very impressed.
The BOSE QuietComfort 25 is “the best wired headphones” at rtings and it doesn’t need to sound good, all these issues regarding sound is irrelevant. Soon people will not buy headphones for the sound anymore cause some are telling them that sound quality is not needed, reason why most people buy boses or beats. The media marketing hype is too strong. I wonder what would happen if bose or beats created a true audiophile headphones, would they be treated as other audiophile headphones? don’t count it on. No wonder why the audiophile community don’t like boses or beats at all.
Thanks for your reply, I knew this would be a pointless errand to begin with, you at rtings have scores for determined set of varied ranges, from Latency to Leakage, Soundstage, Sound, Noise Isolation, Frequency Response, Distortion, Imaging, Usage, Build and so on and regarding them the “QC 25 are more versatile”. Even though the QC 25 is inferior to sound than most audiophile headphones and sound being the most important aspect in the headphones hence why manufactures charge 3 to 10 times more for them than the QC 25. You at rtings by your comment based on your tests have this criteria that the sound of the Hifiman Ananda for example does not outperform all the other aspects that make the “QC 25 more versatile”. So in other words, sound is not as important as the other features at rtings, my point being audiophile headphones will never be as good as other non audiophile headphones on other tests, so an audiophile headphone will never be “The Best Wired Headphones” because it was designed for sound and that is not enough to make them “The Best Wired Headphones” at rtings , such a pity. I rest my case.
Thank you for your reply and information.
Thank you for your reply, my suggestion reflects from what you said, “Best Casual Wired Headphones” would do. From my perspective “Best Wired Headphones” is really the best wired headphones and those are not cheap, usually the best wired headphones are from $499 to 10.000 usd, all best wired headphones that were reviewed to date at rtings should be included in the “Best Wired Headphones” page, for example like the TV section, “https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/best/tvs-on-the-market”.
If I were a dummy user, imagine coming here and seeing the “best wired headphones” page and I read it and I wanted to buy the “The Best Wired Headphones” hence the “Bose QuietComfort 25”, now imagine a friend had bought a Hifiman Ananda, we would discuss forever and ever about it and I would win the argument with my “Bose QuietComfort 25” since your are the professional and in the page clearly states “The Best Wired Headphones” is the Bose QuietComfort 25.
I think i got things mixed then, I thought the wireless version had its gamedac included with it because it is already expensive, so it seems it does not come with the gamedac then?
You will only get 24bit if on 2.4ghz wireless or wired connection, anything on Bluetooth is compressed at this time and i think it hardly goes above 16 bit.
The sound yes, the mic i certainly don’t think so.
Almost all reviews i saw here concerning earbuds or iem’s have a soundstage score of 0.9, in general they are bad concerning that. From what I understand the hype should come from the sound quality from the dm6 which if you see here is poor hence a score of 6.6 critical Listening, the best for that is the Bose SoundSport Wireless which holds a 7.5 score, here is the comparison between them https://www.rtings.com/headphones/tools/compare/bose-soundsport-wireless-vs-bgvp-dm6/358/786
Soundstage wise only open back headphones, even closed back headphones cant match the best open back headphones concerning soundstage as you can see here https://www.rtings.com/headphones/tests/sound-quality/soundstage
This is something very important for me. Thanks very much.
I would like to know this too. Actually I think the treble on this one seems better x hd 650 taking the frequency response.
Thank you Sam. As the price dictates, quality follows, sadly but is just how they are doing.
I would like to know about this too, I also wonder why the SteelSeries Arctis Pro Wireless version is better at critical listening than the normal SteelSeries Arctis Pro wired, wireless sound is much more expensive as it needs a transmitter, a receiver, a DAC and an amplifier to be as good as a wired one plus Bluetooth, given the limited bandwidth of it, it is impossible to transmit audio without some lossy data compression. Also I would like to ask if you tested it without the gamedac, maybe this gamedac is the problem, i saw somebody say that it needs the gamedac to give the high resolution audio option, is that the truth? other than that thanks for all your reviews, I enjoy every bit of data here.
Worth to check this video out, 1:10, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVzDzQgWtIQ