I would be interested in this, but the fact that it can’t be updated once you’ve bought it destroys the product i think. You are stuck with the firmware you got and if it’s buggy then tough luck for you. How does a manufacturer builds a valid product and then ruins it with such a small choice is absolutely beyond me.
this is intended to be an excellent all rounder, and one of the very few ips black monitors around, and you don’t think it’s worth a review? instead of all those oleds with dragons on them that more or less behave all the same.
Hi there! You definitely bring up some salient points. One thing that I’m slightly confused by is how the DT 770 PRO’s low-bass emphasis results in a boomier mix on different systems? Usually, this would translate to a less boomy mix overall as you would turn these frequencies down too much to compensate for the DT 770 PRO’s over-emphasized low-end response. The DT 770 PRO are more commonly used as tracking and monitoring headphones due to this (and their solid passive noise isolation).
That said, there are a few factors at play here that might cause the discrepancies in what you’re hearing and our results vs other reviewers. Firstly, our target curve is likely different from those used by other reviewers. It features a slight bump in the bass response based on user preferences. As a result, what we define as ‘neutral’ or ‘balanced’ may differ from how others define these terms. As part of our testing for bass response we also do five passes with human ears though, to find the average.
Additionally, it’s worth noting that frequency response consistency can affect these measurements and the impressions you have of these headphones. The DT 770 PRO struggle to create a tight seal around your ears which can result in an inconsistent bass response, making it harder to accurately compare with another set of cans (like the DT 700 PRO X) which deliver audio more consistently.
Hopefully this helps explain things somewhat 🙂
What I was saying is that 770 PRO’s DON’T have low bass enphasis, or at least less than 700 PRO. Having produced a couple of tracks with the 770 PRO then they sounded boomy on both my speakers AND 700 PRO X, showing that 700 PRO X have more prominent bass than 770 PRO, which is different from what your data shows.
But thanks for your clarification about the different measurements, I’ll keep that in mind!
Hello, when I mentioned other reviewers I meant just their description of the sound, compared to the 770 pro in this case, which I have at hand, I also happen to have AT m50x.
The measurements from soundguys are actually more consistent with my experience, with the 770pro having less low bass than the 700 PRO X. I have a couple of tracks i produced with 770pro and they sounded very boomy with my speakers and now they sound boomy with the 700 pro as well.
In your review you also mention that 770 pro have a more neutral sound profile, I disagree, having more present bass and less treble I find them definitely more balanced, and that is consistent with soundguys frequency response, which shows a flatter curve compared to 770 pro.
You definitely have some accurate findings, like that 4khz dip, which is unfortunate in an otherwise fantastic sound profile, I’ve tried to eq that and they sound just fenomenal.
Sorry guys, but there must be something wrong with your measurements. That’s not the first time I’ve noticed it, but I just got these headphones and absolutely there’s not a chance that these have less low end than the 770 pro. Like other reviewers have reported, 700 pro x have a lot more thump and rumble, even too much at times, at least for my ears used to 770 pro. Everyone would notice it the first second they use them. I hope this is an isolated mistake on your part.
I don’t think it’s the unit’s fault so RMAing won’t be of any use. Looking at rtings data you can see that the black level raise begins pretty soon (like less than 30 degrees). I’m just trying to accept that monitors at the moment are just disappointing and full of compromieses whichever you buy, while unjustifiably costing a lot of money.
no that’s not what I’m talking about. Here, I took this picture:
notice the shadow under the right border, which is not present under the bottom border
https://imgur.com/a/YxBD0Fv
guys, there must be something wrong with some of your tests. I’m trying out more headphones at the moment, and there’s no way this microphone gets 8.6. If that was the case, then the beyerdynamic mmx 300 I’m trying out should get 12. My opinion is much more aligned with some reviews and microphone tests I’ve heard on youtube, this microphone is average at best. I don’t know why it sounds good in your recording.
thanks for your answer. That might be possible.
So you rule out the possibility that units might be different from each other? I understand that would be bad for people who make reviews for a living :)
but still…
I agree, there’s a lack in a certain range of monitors and I can’t understand why. IPS and VA monitors are just too few, so finding one that fits specific needs of resolution and size is too hard. I definitely don’t feel the need of a monitor larger than 24 - 27"
I’ve managed to get an excellent sound out of these with an EQ. I’m not a fan of always having to use an EQ though, and I really don’t like them without it.
Are you aware of any BD headphones that have slightly more balanced treble than these? I think you should review more of them cause it’s overall an excellent brand.
I’ve bought the Arctis 3 and I think it’s reasonable to assume that the sound quality is the same, they just lack some features that they advertise on the website, like rgb lights (srsly, who needs those?), wireless connectivity, usb DAC and so on.
Of course I might be wrong, but I don’t see why the sound quality should be different.
just by chance i happen to comment on this monitor, but it’s true for many others: it’s offensive that they try to sell us such garbage.
I would be interested in this, but the fact that it can’t be updated once you’ve bought it destroys the product i think. You are stuck with the firmware you got and if it’s buggy then tough luck for you. How does a manufacturer builds a valid product and then ruins it with such a small choice is absolutely beyond me.
this is intended to be an excellent all rounder, and one of the very few ips black monitors around, and you don’t think it’s worth a review? instead of all those oleds with dragons on them that more or less behave all the same.
What I was saying is that 770 PRO’s DON’T have low bass enphasis, or at least less than 700 PRO. Having produced a couple of tracks with the 770 PRO then they sounded boomy on both my speakers AND 700 PRO X, showing that 700 PRO X have more prominent bass than 770 PRO, which is different from what your data shows. But thanks for your clarification about the different measurements, I’ll keep that in mind!
Hello, when I mentioned other reviewers I meant just their description of the sound, compared to the 770 pro in this case, which I have at hand, I also happen to have AT m50x. The measurements from soundguys are actually more consistent with my experience, with the 770pro having less low bass than the 700 PRO X. I have a couple of tracks i produced with 770pro and they sounded very boomy with my speakers and now they sound boomy with the 700 pro as well. In your review you also mention that 770 pro have a more neutral sound profile, I disagree, having more present bass and less treble I find them definitely more balanced, and that is consistent with soundguys frequency response, which shows a flatter curve compared to 770 pro. You definitely have some accurate findings, like that 4khz dip, which is unfortunate in an otherwise fantastic sound profile, I’ve tried to eq that and they sound just fenomenal.
Sorry guys, but there must be something wrong with your measurements. That’s not the first time I’ve noticed it, but I just got these headphones and absolutely there’s not a chance that these have less low end than the 770 pro. Like other reviewers have reported, 700 pro x have a lot more thump and rumble, even too much at times, at least for my ears used to 770 pro. Everyone would notice it the first second they use them. I hope this is an isolated mistake on your part.
well I gotta say better late than never, this is one of the best headsets ever made so you had to have it in your reviews
I don’t think it’s the unit’s fault so RMAing won’t be of any use. Looking at rtings data you can see that the black level raise begins pretty soon (like less than 30 degrees). I’m just trying to accept that monitors at the moment are just disappointing and full of compromieses whichever you buy, while unjustifiably costing a lot of money.
can I have more answers about this? I’ve found conflicting opinions around. If someone could post a picture that would be great
no that’s not what I’m talking about. Here, I took this picture: notice the shadow under the right border, which is not present under the bottom border https://imgur.com/a/YxBD0Fv
Can you tell me if you have this too?
guys, there must be something wrong with some of your tests. I’m trying out more headphones at the moment, and there’s no way this microphone gets 8.6. If that was the case, then the beyerdynamic mmx 300 I’m trying out should get 12. My opinion is much more aligned with some reviews and microphone tests I’ve heard on youtube, this microphone is average at best. I don’t know why it sounds good in your recording.
thanks for your answer. That might be possible. So you rule out the possibility that units might be different from each other? I understand that would be bad for people who make reviews for a living :) but still…
I agree, there’s a lack in a certain range of monitors and I can’t understand why. IPS and VA monitors are just too few, so finding one that fits specific needs of resolution and size is too hard. I definitely don’t feel the need of a monitor larger than 24 - 27"
I’ve managed to get an excellent sound out of these with an EQ. I’m not a fan of always having to use an EQ though, and I really don’t like them without it. Are you aware of any BD headphones that have slightly more balanced treble than these? I think you should review more of them cause it’s overall an excellent brand.
I’ve bought the Arctis 3 and I think it’s reasonable to assume that the sound quality is the same, they just lack some features that they advertise on the website, like rgb lights (srsly, who needs those?), wireless connectivity, usb DAC and so on.
Of course I might be wrong, but I don’t see why the sound quality should be different.