I mean I’m all for eco-friendly stuff but I wish I could’ve helped fairphone with the FR of this pair. Imagine a Galaxy Buds2 Pro like amazing frequency response, with a repairable battery form factor. Would’ve loved it.
We’re just as excited as the community is on this one, and we’ll be buying the three models announced today (Z95, Z85, and W95). It will take a while to get the reviews out, though, as the actual release date is two weeks from now, then the time it takes to ship them, test them, etc… We likely won’t have the first review out until early October at the earliest.
I don’t really mind it if it takes long for you guys, I’m just happy you’re doing it, thanks!!
Honestly, if people can live with a 60 hz IPS TV in the current day then they can definitely live with the quirks/poorer processing of Hisense/TCL TVs. Maybe that’s just me and people want the peace of mind that comes with the Bravia 3 but I expected an X90L type TV or something. Or at least SOME dimming idk
One of the most boring headphones I have ever listened. Everything is just too flat and uninteresting. Not enough musicality in the songs. What rating in the review do you think reflects the lack of excitement in this iem rtings? Thanks.
Lower sub bass/bass in general and less “air” treble frequencies than most. Use an EQ to boost those up and you’re good to go. Don’t see why people forget EQ is a thing.
This is a mostly neutral targeting IEM so obviously it’s not that fun. It has nice technicalities so you can just EQ without worries. The easiest way to get more fun is to just use a low shelf and boost frequencies 200 hz and lower. Mid bass bloat and increase punch. No wonder Sony doesn’t do anything close to neutral lol
THIS IS SOME GOOD STUFF! I love how you guys don’t only run these tests but ALSO look into WHY it happened. And not only that but you also explain to us in an easy to understand manner! You guys are maybe the best journalists around as you actually go do the nitty gritty stuff and find out the difficult to discover truths. ++ Respect. Independent yet showing us all this stuff. Brands should be paying you guys for this research, this could help them improve as well I think, humanitarian kinda stuff fr
Edited 8 months ago: The later paras were something I wrote just randomly based on my experiences with displays
Why can’t these manufacturers put options for accurate EOTF tracking? Just give us the option to choose between bright or accurate pictures and everyone is happy. The hardware here is immense, if only the accuracy were better. The other thing that they could focus on is gamma tracking, it seems kinda bad.
Otherwise it looks like an awesome TV and the processing has become quite nice as well. Good job for the most part TCL.
omg what, this TV has such an accurate PQ EOTF tracking? HISENSE IS GOATED…. when they want to be. Seriously, imagine the UX and U8K/U8N having the option to have accurate PQ EOTF out of the box, they’d fare so much better overall.
The pre-calibration of this TV is concerning but not horrendous at least ig. Should be better though but maybe this is either a bad sample or Hisense deliberately made it inaccurate.
I have a question though, how is this TV’s blooming on par with the U7N? I think this TV deserves at least a 7.5 if that TV was a 7. The halo-ing radius is so much tighter and the image feels a lot punchier as a result. At least to me.
The 43 inch TV’s are so much better than the overpriced garbage called PC monitors.
Please consider a review for the newer model of this TV, the 43 inch QN90D.
Here are some features you’re not gonna find (or find much more expensive) in any monitor easy compared to a 43’ TV.
Availability: Unlike high-end monitors, TV’s are available worldwide and are easy to find.
True HDR: To get that you’d pay the double.
Great brightness: I can hardly find a monitor with 500+ nits in a reasonable price.
Motion interpolation: Unlike movies, story driven games are in need for such technology, Even Nvidia and AMD took notice of that. with their frame generation technology.
Better overall specs.
Response time & input lag: now are excellent and comparable to the best monitors.
I can list more reasons but those are enough to consider a review the 43’ QN90D as a gaming monitor. So, pleased do it.
PC Monitors are overpriced because of a few reasons, firstly and most importantly the technology is new. Mini LED first came out on TV and was expensive AF, then it slowly got cheaper and we have stuff like the X90L from Sony even, Hisense TVs and TCL TVs. Compare that with the PC Monitor space which got true HDR only recently. So yeah the tech is more expensive in a way. And the second thing is the overall market, the rest of the monitors are also kind of expensive compared to the TV market so that’s why the monitors that are higher tiers just price accordingly.
The brightness is usually lower in order to lower the damage done by the heat of the display, yk. Besides, stuff like the INNOCN and Cooler Master monitors aren’t THAT expensive compared to the rest of the market, like the 43 inch QN90D ain’t that cheap yk.
I’m not defending monitors, just pointing out why they’re the way they are. Besides, not everyone wants to have a huge TV, even 43 inch is huge at short desk distances. And I’d say for the price, the TVs are great if you can go a lot farther away from the desk and appreciate the image (like the 42 inch OLEDs) but otherwise they’re not that impressive. The QN90D 43 inch is the same price as a Neo G8 where I live, I mean that’s kind of a no brainer if someone wants size but overall usability and stuff is the same yk?
I hate the super high prices of the current monitor market but I can’t act like the TV market is especially great for “small” TV buyers. 55 inch and up is necessary to find a decent competitor to monitors dollar for dollar (Hisense TVs for instance). I’d much rather buy a huge TV than a small TV that’s compromised compared to monitors and also bigger TVs yet costs more (like the Samsung QN series). Until we get a comprehensive Mini-LED experience from Sony to set the benchmark (Like the X95L), Mini-LED isn’t gonna be progressing that fast for small-ish display buyers. That’s just me though, maybe you can put up with the lower performance compared to the bigger siblings of the TV and the reduced text clarity compared to desktop monitors. And I think it’d be great if RTINGS did test it cus they didn’t with the QN90C.
kind of disappointed. I loved Hisense till now compared to TCL because even though they had decent specs as well, they backed it up with fairly accurate calibration. The PQ EOTF Tracking is poor and the pre-calibration is average. Would’ve preferred lower/the same brightness as before but more accurate tracking.
It’s completely fine to have a super vivid mode with inaccurate EOTF, but there should also be a filmmaker mode that’s accurate.
I hope Hisense can fix it with an update or something. Color inaccuracies and stuff are ok at this stage but brightness inaccuracies that is easily fixable is just unacceptable, it’s not like this is the Hisense A6N and also especially because they had great tracking TVs before like the U8H, that was a masterclass in value TVs. I hope they can do it again!
So basically an X95L but cheaper, not bad. What is bad tho is the fact that they pulled out the X90L and X93L replacements. At least have a X90L replacement? It’s weird going from Bravia 7 to Bravia 3, HUGE jump.
Yeah the X90L is still sold now but idk why they didn’t at least make a replacement for this year, felt like they made it so good last year just to use it again. The Bravia 3 should’ve been the X90L or at least a redo of the X90K, that would’ve been a solid buy, a “no local dimming” TV from Sony is a poor buy now I’d say. Better to just go for either older OLEDs or older Mini LED TVs if you don’t want to go for Hisense/TCL.
Wow, this TV looks like it’s the new midrange king. The C series has stagnated and is not worth the price anymore. Back during the CX and C1 days it gave close to flagship grade performance (vs GX and G1) and was priced in the upper mid range.
The B4 is an amazing TV with very good brightness and good enough processing. The addition of 2 more full bandwidth ports should satisfy all types of gamers. Great job LG. And thank you Hisense and TCL, for pushing the top manufacturers to improve their lower end products.
Sony NEEDS to improve its mid range OLED, the differences between the A80J and the A80L are minute. They’re doing a fantastic job with the X90L and stuff but they’ve stagnated so hard with their midrange OLEDs that it’s funny.
hey guys, I think you should separate the PQ EOTF tracking from the brightness measurements now considering we are now getting more and more real HDR monitors like monitors with local dimming and OLEDs, we should view brightness and EOTF separately as both play important roles and then you’d be able to provide the EOTF results of different modes in a relevant space. It would also be cool to see how True Black 400 and the Peak 1000 modes differ and what even is the point of the True Black mode if like in the AW3225QF the EOTF is pretty good. Also, you could either add 0.003 to 0.1 nit tracking OR provide the graphs you do with the TVs since as days go by the feature sets are starting to get blurred honestly haha, thanks for the hard work friends.
Hi Raiyan23,
Thanks for taking the time to write to us with your suggestions!
Testing game mode PQ EOTF tracking would definitely be great, as would testing it in DV. I’ll add this suggestion directly to our list that we review when planning our future test bench updates, that way we’ll assess and prioritize it relative to other new tests or updates in our pipeline. :) I also went ahead and added your suggestion of testing “Dark Accuracy” using a specific scene which is hard for TVs to reproduce correctly.
For motion interpolation, I think you’ll be glad to learn that we’re currently working on a completely overhauled test which will include a video. Although we can’t commit to a specific schedule at the moment, you can expect it to be on reviews later this year.
Let us know should you have any other suggestions or if you have any questions for us!
Regards
Thanks for the reply and I’m excited about the motion interpolation test! Love the job you guys are doing, not that the tests before were bad or anything but this website has changed and improved soo much over the years!
Anyways, I’d also say that there are a few niche circumstances which could be shown in reviews such as the handling of 4000 nit content, the PQ EOTF tracking doesn’t seem to be everything as each TV seems to handle it differently, going for either preservation of APL or trying to preserve the highlight data. Finally, something that everyone is sort of afraid of is how aggressive the dimming of the screen is. So playing a “real scene” and seeing the dimming behaviour of the screen with a test pattern for the different window sizes would also be beneficial, especially for OLEDs.
Also, would you guys be interested in doing shootouts or something? Something like let’s say a comparison between the A95L and the S95C, showing the differences you found in your data and how it actually is reflected in real life viewing such as in movies, games and even youtube videos. I think that’d be interesting for the most popular TVs but also could be a lot of work.
Sorry for the delay. Our team is at CES for the week, but we’ll do our best to reply ASAP (likely sometime next week). Thank you for your understanding!
Hello, I’d like to suggest a “Game mode PQ EOTF” section and if possible “PQ EOTF tracking in Dolby Vision” for DV TVs since different TVs behave differently. For example Samsung TVs reportedly overbrighten according to their PQ EOTF in game mode and LG TVs have broken/slightly inaccurate DV sometimes in game mode also it’d be just nice to see how PQ is tracked in DV.
Additionally, the motion interpolation part could provide a video of a test as it would allow people to see the difference that motion interpolation does and if they’re willing to go for that brand or not.
Finally, instead of a “dark details”, why not have a “Dark accuracy” section where you play a tough to play scene such as that one episode from House Of The Dragon or that scene from Arrival used by HDTVtest.
Anyways, I’d really like the Game mode PQ EOTF to be a thing first, that’s gonna be the most helpful for people I think, especially people who might be interested in a Samsung TV such as the S89C/S90C.
I mean I’m all for eco-friendly stuff but I wish I could’ve helped fairphone with the FR of this pair. Imagine a Galaxy Buds2 Pro like amazing frequency response, with a repairable battery form factor. Would’ve loved it.
Maybe this WAS too good to be true….
I don’t really mind it if it takes long for you guys, I’m just happy you’re doing it, thanks!!
this TV is now officially available in the US so we NEED a RTINGS style review on it!!
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Honestly, if people can live with a 60 hz IPS TV in the current day then they can definitely live with the quirks/poorer processing of Hisense/TCL TVs. Maybe that’s just me and people want the peace of mind that comes with the Bravia 3 but I expected an X90L type TV or something. Or at least SOME dimming idk
I think it’s time to separate the HDR brightness and PQ EOTF tracking cus WOAH what is that, the dark detail seems to be non existent here?????
Lower sub bass/bass in general and less “air” treble frequencies than most. Use an EQ to boost those up and you’re good to go. Don’t see why people forget EQ is a thing.
This is a mostly neutral targeting IEM so obviously it’s not that fun. It has nice technicalities so you can just EQ without worries. The easiest way to get more fun is to just use a low shelf and boost frequencies 200 hz and lower. Mid bass bloat and increase punch. No wonder Sony doesn’t do anything close to neutral lol
THIS IS SOME GOOD STUFF! I love how you guys don’t only run these tests but ALSO look into WHY it happened. And not only that but you also explain to us in an easy to understand manner! You guys are maybe the best journalists around as you actually go do the nitty gritty stuff and find out the difficult to discover truths. ++ Respect. Independent yet showing us all this stuff. Brands should be paying you guys for this research, this could help them improve as well I think, humanitarian kinda stuff fr
Why can’t these manufacturers put options for accurate EOTF tracking? Just give us the option to choose between bright or accurate pictures and everyone is happy. The hardware here is immense, if only the accuracy were better. The other thing that they could focus on is gamma tracking, it seems kinda bad.
Otherwise it looks like an awesome TV and the processing has become quite nice as well. Good job for the most part TCL.
omg what, this TV has such an accurate PQ EOTF tracking? HISENSE IS GOATED…. when they want to be. Seriously, imagine the UX and U8K/U8N having the option to have accurate PQ EOTF out of the box, they’d fare so much better overall.
The pre-calibration of this TV is concerning but not horrendous at least ig. Should be better though but maybe this is either a bad sample or Hisense deliberately made it inaccurate.
I have a question though, how is this TV’s blooming on par with the U7N? I think this TV deserves at least a 7.5 if that TV was a 7. The halo-ing radius is so much tighter and the image feels a lot punchier as a result. At least to me.
PC Monitors are overpriced because of a few reasons, firstly and most importantly the technology is new. Mini LED first came out on TV and was expensive AF, then it slowly got cheaper and we have stuff like the X90L from Sony even, Hisense TVs and TCL TVs. Compare that with the PC Monitor space which got true HDR only recently. So yeah the tech is more expensive in a way. And the second thing is the overall market, the rest of the monitors are also kind of expensive compared to the TV market so that’s why the monitors that are higher tiers just price accordingly.
The brightness is usually lower in order to lower the damage done by the heat of the display, yk. Besides, stuff like the INNOCN and Cooler Master monitors aren’t THAT expensive compared to the rest of the market, like the 43 inch QN90D ain’t that cheap yk.
I’m not defending monitors, just pointing out why they’re the way they are. Besides, not everyone wants to have a huge TV, even 43 inch is huge at short desk distances. And I’d say for the price, the TVs are great if you can go a lot farther away from the desk and appreciate the image (like the 42 inch OLEDs) but otherwise they’re not that impressive. The QN90D 43 inch is the same price as a Neo G8 where I live, I mean that’s kind of a no brainer if someone wants size but overall usability and stuff is the same yk?
I hate the super high prices of the current monitor market but I can’t act like the TV market is especially great for “small” TV buyers. 55 inch and up is necessary to find a decent competitor to monitors dollar for dollar (Hisense TVs for instance). I’d much rather buy a huge TV than a small TV that’s compromised compared to monitors and also bigger TVs yet costs more (like the Samsung QN series). Until we get a comprehensive Mini-LED experience from Sony to set the benchmark (Like the X95L), Mini-LED isn’t gonna be progressing that fast for small-ish display buyers. That’s just me though, maybe you can put up with the lower performance compared to the bigger siblings of the TV and the reduced text clarity compared to desktop monitors. And I think it’d be great if RTINGS did test it cus they didn’t with the QN90C.
kind of disappointed. I loved Hisense till now compared to TCL because even though they had decent specs as well, they backed it up with fairly accurate calibration. The PQ EOTF Tracking is poor and the pre-calibration is average. Would’ve preferred lower/the same brightness as before but more accurate tracking.
It’s completely fine to have a super vivid mode with inaccurate EOTF, but there should also be a filmmaker mode that’s accurate.
I hope Hisense can fix it with an update or something. Color inaccuracies and stuff are ok at this stage but brightness inaccuracies that is easily fixable is just unacceptable, it’s not like this is the Hisense A6N and also especially because they had great tracking TVs before like the U8H, that was a masterclass in value TVs. I hope they can do it again!
So basically an X95L but cheaper, not bad. What is bad tho is the fact that they pulled out the X90L and X93L replacements. At least have a X90L replacement? It’s weird going from Bravia 7 to Bravia 3, HUGE jump.
Yeah the X90L is still sold now but idk why they didn’t at least make a replacement for this year, felt like they made it so good last year just to use it again. The Bravia 3 should’ve been the X90L or at least a redo of the X90K, that would’ve been a solid buy, a “no local dimming” TV from Sony is a poor buy now I’d say. Better to just go for either older OLEDs or older Mini LED TVs if you don’t want to go for Hisense/TCL.
Wow, this TV looks like it’s the new midrange king. The C series has stagnated and is not worth the price anymore. Back during the CX and C1 days it gave close to flagship grade performance (vs GX and G1) and was priced in the upper mid range.
The B4 is an amazing TV with very good brightness and good enough processing. The addition of 2 more full bandwidth ports should satisfy all types of gamers. Great job LG. And thank you Hisense and TCL, for pushing the top manufacturers to improve their lower end products.
Sony NEEDS to improve its mid range OLED, the differences between the A80J and the A80L are minute. They’re doing a fantastic job with the X90L and stuff but they’ve stagnated so hard with their midrange OLEDs that it’s funny.
God bless y'all for giving us so much info as to differentiate between the models, shame on you Samsung for confusing consumers like this!
hey guys, I think you should separate the PQ EOTF tracking from the brightness measurements now considering we are now getting more and more real HDR monitors like monitors with local dimming and OLEDs, we should view brightness and EOTF separately as both play important roles and then you’d be able to provide the EOTF results of different modes in a relevant space. It would also be cool to see how True Black 400 and the Peak 1000 modes differ and what even is the point of the True Black mode if like in the AW3225QF the EOTF is pretty good. Also, you could either add 0.003 to 0.1 nit tracking OR provide the graphs you do with the TVs since as days go by the feature sets are starting to get blurred honestly haha, thanks for the hard work friends.
Thanks for the reply and I’m excited about the motion interpolation test! Love the job you guys are doing, not that the tests before were bad or anything but this website has changed and improved soo much over the years!
Anyways, I’d also say that there are a few niche circumstances which could be shown in reviews such as the handling of 4000 nit content, the PQ EOTF tracking doesn’t seem to be everything as each TV seems to handle it differently, going for either preservation of APL or trying to preserve the highlight data. Finally, something that everyone is sort of afraid of is how aggressive the dimming of the screen is. So playing a “real scene” and seeing the dimming behaviour of the screen with a test pattern for the different window sizes would also be beneficial, especially for OLEDs.
Also, would you guys be interested in doing shootouts or something? Something like let’s say a comparison between the A95L and the S95C, showing the differences you found in your data and how it actually is reflected in real life viewing such as in movies, games and even youtube videos. I think that’d be interesting for the most popular TVs but also could be a lot of work.
aight sure
Hello, I’d like to suggest a “Game mode PQ EOTF” section and if possible “PQ EOTF tracking in Dolby Vision” for DV TVs since different TVs behave differently. For example Samsung TVs reportedly overbrighten according to their PQ EOTF in game mode and LG TVs have broken/slightly inaccurate DV sometimes in game mode also it’d be just nice to see how PQ is tracked in DV. Additionally, the motion interpolation part could provide a video of a test as it would allow people to see the difference that motion interpolation does and if they’re willing to go for that brand or not. Finally, instead of a “dark details”, why not have a “Dark accuracy” section where you play a tough to play scene such as that one episode from House Of The Dragon or that scene from Arrival used by HDTVtest.
Anyways, I’d really like the Game mode PQ EOTF to be a thing first, that’s gonna be the most helpful for people I think, especially people who might be interested in a Samsung TV such as the S89C/S90C.