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  1. Table of Contents
  2. Top
  3. Main Differences
  4. Sound
    1. Sound Profile
    2. Frequency Response Consistency
    3. Raw Frequency Response
    4. Bass Profile: Target Compliance
    5. Mid-Range Profile: Target Compliance
    6. Treble Profile: Target Compliance
    7. Peaks/Dips
    8. Stereo Mismatch
    9. Group Delay
    10. Cumulative Spectral Decay
    11. PRTF
    12. Harmonic Distortion
    13. Electrical Aspects
    14. Virtual Soundstage
    15. Test Settings
    16. Imaging
    17. Weighted Harmonic Distortion
  5. Design
    1. Style
    2. Comfort
    3. Controls
    4. Breathability
    5. Portability
    6. Case
    7. Build Quality
    8. Stability
    9. Headshots 1
    10. Headshots 2
    11. Top
    12. In The Box
  6. Isolation
    1. Noise Isolation - Full Range
    2. Noise Isolation - Common Scenarios
    3. Noise Isolation - Voice Handling
    4. ANC Wind Handling
    5. Leakage
  7. Microphone
    1. Microphone Style
    2. Recording Quality
    3. Noise Handling
  8. Active Features
    1. Battery
    2. App Support
  9. Connectivity
    1. Wired Connection
    2. Bluetooth Connection
    3. Wireless Connection (Dongle)
    4. PC Compatibility
    5. PlayStation Compatibility
    6. Xbox Compatibility
    7. Base/Dock
  10. Comments

Razer BlackShark V2 Pro Wireless 2023 vs Logitech G PRO X 2 LIGHTSPEED Wireless

Side-by-Side Comparison

Products

Razer BlackShark V2 Pro Wireless 2023
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Variants

  • BlackShark V2 Pro Wireless 2023 (Black)
  • BlackShark V2 Pro Wireless 2023 (White)
  • G PRO X 2 LIGHTSPEED Wireless (Black)
  • G PRO X 2 LIGHTSPEED Wireless (Pink)
  • G PRO X 2 LIGHTSPEED Wireless (White)

Our Verdict

Razer BlackShark V2 Pro Wireless 2023

Logitech G PRO X 2 LIGHTSPEED Wireless

The Logitech G PRO X 2 LIGHTSPEED Wireless are more versatile gaming headphones than the Razer BlackShark V2 Pro Wireless 2023. The Logitech are more comfortable and better built. Their mic also has a significantly better noise-handling performance and can be used via analog. On the other hand, the Razer's mic has superior recording quality.

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Main Differences for
Neutral Sound

Threshold 

0.10

Neutral Sound 

7.3
No major differences between these headphones for neutral sound. See full list of tests below.

Full Comparison

Sound

Sound Profile 
 

Sound Profile  

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Normalization Frequency 
 

1,200 Hz

Bass Amount 
 

Emphasized (3 dB)

Bass Amount 
 

-2.75 dB

Treble Amount 
 

-0.34 dB

Treble Amount 
 

Slightly Underemphasized (-3 dB)

Sound Signature 
 

Warm
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Frequency Response Consistency 
 

5.3
5.6

Consistency L  

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Consistency R  

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Avg. Std. Deviation 
 

1.52 dB
1.49 dB
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Raw Frequency Response 
 

Raw FR L  

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Raw FR R  

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Bass Profile: Target Compliance 
 

8.0
8.7

Bass Profile: Target Compliance  

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RMS Deviation From Target 
 

2.78 dB
3.3 dB

Low-Frequency Extension 
 

35.64 Hz
20 Hz

Low Bass 
 

-2.46 dB
2.96 dB

Mid Bass 
 

1.46 dB
4.77 dB

High Bass 
 

4.24 dB
1.06 dB
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Mid-Range Profile: Target Compliance 
 

7.9
8.8

Mid-Range Profile: Target Compliance  

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RMS Deviation From Target 
 

2.84 dB
1.65 dB

Low Mid 
 

0.84 dB
-0.6 dB

Mid-Mid 
 

0.98 dB
0.75 dB

High Mid 
 

4.36 dB
-1.68 dB
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Treble Profile: Target Compliance 
 

7.2
7.1

Treble Profile: Target Compliance  

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RMS Deviation From Target 
 

4.15 dB
4.1 dB

Low Treble 
 

2.13 dB
-3.99 dB

Mid Treble 
 

4.98 dB
-2.83 dB

High Treble 
 

-5.38 dB
-9.36 dB
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Peaks/Dips 
 

7.0
7.3

Peaks/Dips Graph 
 

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Peaks 
 

2.13 dB
1.6 dB

Dips 
 

1.18 dB
1.76 dB
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Stereo Mismatch 
 

6.6

Frequency Response Mismatch  

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Phase Response Mismatch  

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Weighted Amplitude Mismatch 
 

0.17
1.1 dB

Weighted Frequency Response Mismatch 
 

1.3
1.6 dB

Weighted Phase Mismatch 
 

18.88
1.0°
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Group Delay 
 

7.6

Group Delay  

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Weighted Group Delay 
 

0.9 ms
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Cumulative Spectral Decay 
 

CSD  

Logitech G PRO X 2 LIGHTSPEED Wireless CSD

PRTF 
 

5.4
6.7

PRTF  

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PRTF Accuracy (RMS Deviation) 
 

2.44 dB
2.73 dB

PRTF Size (Avg.) 
 

4.99 dB
4.92 dB

PRTF Distance 
 

8.52 dB
8.44 dB

Openness 
 

4.4

Acoustic Space Excitation 
 

2.7
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Harmonic Distortion 
 

8.6

Harmonics Levels  

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THD Ratio  

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WHD @ 94 dB SPL 
 

0.284
0.18%

WHD @ 104 dB SPL 
 

0.128
0.19%
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Electrical Aspects 
 

Impedance  

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Sensitivity @1kHz-1V 
 

112.9 dB SPL

Bluetooth Max SPL 
 

N/A
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Virtual Soundstage 
 

2.0
2.0

Virtual Soundstage  

Razer BlackShark V2 Pro Wireless 2023 Virtual Soundstage
Logitech G PRO X 2 LIGHTSPEED Wireless Virtual Soundstage

Head Modeling 
 

No
No

Speaker Modeling 
 

On/Off
On/Off

Room Ambience 
 

No
No

Head Tracking 
 

No
No

Virtual Surround 
 

THX Spatial Audio
DTS Headphone:X 2.0
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Test Settings 
 

Firmware 
 

2.4.2.0
1.1.2

Power 
 

On
On

Connection 
 

Wireless (Proprietary)
Wireless (Proprietary)

Codec 
 

PCM, 16-bit, 48kHz
PCM, 16-bit, 48kHz

Test Instrument  

Audio Precision APx517B

EQ 
 

Music (Default)
DEFAULT (Flat)

ANC 
 

No ANC
No ANC

Tip/Pad 
 

Default
Leatherette Pads

Microphone 
 

Boom
Boom
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Imaging 
 

8.2

Group Delay  

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Phase Response Mismatch  

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Weighted Group Delay 
 

0.28

Weighted Phase Mismatch 
 

18.88
1.0°

Weighted Amplitude Mismatch 
 

0.17
1.1 dB

Weighted Frequency Mismatch 
 

1.3
1.6 dB
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Weighted Harmonic Distortion 
 

7.7

Weighted Harmonic Distortion  

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WHD @ 90 
 

0.284
0.18%

WHD @ 100 
 

0.128
0.19%
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Design

Style  

Design Picture 2  

Razer BlackShark V2 Pro Wireless 2023 Design Picture 2
Logitech G PRO X 2 LIGHTSPEED Wireless Design Picture 2

Type  

Over-ear
Over-Ear

Enclosure  

Closed-Back
Closed-Back

Wireless  

Yes
Yes

Transducer  

Dynamic
Dynamic
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Comfort 
 

7.5
8.0

Comfort Picture  

Razer BlackShark V2 Pro Wireless 2023 Comfort Picture
Logitech G PRO X 2 LIGHTSPEED Wireless Comfort Picture

Weight  

0.73 lbs
0.77 lbs

Clamping Force 
 

1 lbs
0.8 lbs
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Controls 
 

7.1
5.8

Controls Picture  

Razer BlackShark V2 Pro Wireless 2023 Controls Picture
Logitech G PRO X 2 LIGHTSPEED Wireless Controls Picture

OS Compatibility 
 

Not OS specific
Not OS specific

Ease Of Use  

Good
Great

Feedback  

Good
Good

Call/Music Control  

Yes
No

Volume Control  

Yes
Yes

Microphone Control  

Mute/Unmute
Mute/Unmute

Channel Mixing 
 

No
No

Noise Cancelling Control  

No
No

Talk-Through 
 

No
No

Additional Controls  

Presets
Bluetooth + Multi function
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Breathability 
 

Breathability After Picture  

Avg.Temp.Difference  

Portability 
 

5.4
5.5

Portability Picture  

Razer BlackShark V2 Pro Wireless 2023 Portability Picture
Logitech G PRO X 2 LIGHTSPEED Wireless Portability Picture

 

7.9" (20.0 cm)
7.5" (19.0 cm)

 

6.4" (16.4 cm)
6.7" (17.0 cm)

 

3.9" (10.0 cm)
3.5" (9.0 cm)

Volume  

208.17 in³ (3,411.25 cm³)
176.91 in³ (2,899.00 cm³)

Transmitter Required  

No
No
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Case 
 

0.0
5.5

Case Picture  

Razer BlackShark V2 Pro Wireless 2023 Case Picture
Logitech G PRO X 2 LIGHTSPEED Wireless Case Picture

Type  

No case
Pouch

 

N/A
N/A

 

N/A
N/A

 

N/A
N/A

Volume  

N/A
N/A
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Build Quality 
 

6.5
8.0

Build Quality Picture  

Razer BlackShark V2 Pro Wireless 2023 Build Quality Picture
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Stability 
 

7.5
6.5

Stability Picture  

Razer BlackShark V2 Pro Wireless 2023 Stability Picture
Logitech G PRO X 2 LIGHTSPEED Wireless Stability Picture
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Headshots 1  

Angled Picture  

Razer BlackShark V2 Pro Wireless 2023 Angled Picture
Logitech G PRO X 2 LIGHTSPEED Wireless Angled Picture

Side Picture  

Razer BlackShark V2 Pro Wireless 2023 Side Picture
Logitech G PRO X 2 LIGHTSPEED Wireless Side Picture

Headshots 2  

Front Picture  

Razer BlackShark V2 Pro Wireless 2023 Front Picture
Logitech G PRO X 2 LIGHTSPEED Wireless Front Picture

Rear Picture  

Razer BlackShark V2 Pro Wireless 2023 Rear Picture
Logitech G PRO X 2 LIGHTSPEED Wireless Rear Picture

Top  

Top Picture  

Razer BlackShark V2 Pro Wireless 2023 Top Picture
Logitech G PRO X 2 LIGHTSPEED Wireless Top Picture

In The Box  

In The Box Picture  

Razer BlackShark V2 Pro Wireless 2023 In The Box Picture
Logitech G PRO X 2 LIGHTSPEED Wireless In The Box Picture
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Isolation

Noise Isolation - Full Range 
 

5.5
4.6

Noise Isolation - Full Range Graph  

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Noise Cancelling  

No
No

Overall Attenuation 
 

-15.51 dB
-11.16 dB

Isolation Audio 
 

Bass 
 

1.09 dB
1.99 dB

Mid 
 

-16.51 dB
-9.51 dB

Treble 
 

-32.88 dB
-28.93 dB
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Noise Isolation - Common Scenarios 
 

3.8

Noise Isolation - Common Scenarios Graph  

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Airplane Noise Attenuation 
 

-7.68 dB

Airplane Noise Isolation Audio 
 

Office Noise Attenuation 
 

-8.15 dB

Office Noise Isolation Audio 
 

Street Noise Attenuation 
 

-9.07 dB

Street Noise Isolation Audio 
 

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Noise Isolation - Voice Handling 
 

Female Voice 1 
 

Male Voice 1 
 

Female Voice 2 
 

Male Voice 2 
 

ANC Wind Handling 
 

ANC Wind Handling Graph  

Logitech G PRO X 2 LIGHTSPEED Wireless ANC Wind Handling Graph

ANC Wind Noise 
 

N/A

Leakage 
 

7.6
6.6

Leakage  

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Leakage Audio 
 

Overall Leakage @ 1ft 
 

36.22 dB
41.57 dB
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Microphone

Microphone Style 
 

Integrated 
 

No
No

In-Line 
 

No
No

Boom 
 

Yes
Yes

Detachable Boom 
 

Yes
Yes

Mic  

Yes
Yes
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Recording Quality 
 

8.6
6.7

Microphone Frequency Response  

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Recorded Speech 
 

LFE 
 

20 Hz
85.99 Hz

FR Std. Dev. 
 

2.11 dB
3.29 dB

HFE 
 

10,540.06 Hz
3,368.2 Hz

Weighted THD 
 

0.531
5.3

Gain 
 

10.24 dB
1.07 dB
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Noise Handling 
 

7.7
9.0

SpNR  

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SpNR 
 

36.15 dB
57.71 dB

Noise Gate 
 

On/Off Toggle
Always On

Speech + Pink Noise Handling 
 

7.5
9.0

Speech + Pink Noise Audio Sample  

Speech + Subway Noise Handling 
 

8.0
9.0

Speech + Subway Noise Audio Sample  

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Active Features

Battery 
 

9.0
9.7

Battery Type 
 

Rechargable
Rechargable

Continuous Battery Life 
 

69.3 hrs
97 hrs

Additional Charges 
 

N/A
0.0

Total Battery Life 
 

69.3 hrs
97 hrs

Charge Time 
 

2.6 hrs
2.5 hrs

Power-Saving Feature 
 

Auto-Off Timer
Auto-Off Timer

Audio While Charging 
 

Yes
Yes

Passive Playback 
 

No
Yes

Charging Port  

USB-C
USB-C
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App Support 
 

8.5
9.0

App Picture  

Razer BlackShark V2 Pro Wireless 2023 App Picture
Logitech G PRO X 2 LIGHTSPEED Wireless App Picture

App Name  

Razer Synapse 3.0
Logitech G Hub

iOS  

No
No

Android  

No
No

macOS  

No
Yes

Windows  

Yes
Yes

Equalizer 
 

Graphic + Presets
Graphic + Presets

ANC Control 
 

No
No

Mic Control  

Adjustable Level
Adjustable Level

Room Effects 
 

No
No

Playback Control 
 

No
No

Button Mapping  

No
No

Surround Support 
 

Yes
Yes
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Connectivity

Wired Connection 
 

10
9.9

Cable Picture  

Razer BlackShark V2 Pro Wireless 2023 Cable Picture
Logitech G PRO X 2 LIGHTSPEED Wireless Cable Picture

Analog Audio 
 

No
Yes

USB Audio 
 

No
No

Detachable 
 

Yes
Yes

Length 
 

N/A
6.17 ft (1.88 m)

Connector 
 

USB-C
1/8" TRRS

Latency - Analog 
 

N/A
0.3 ms

Latency - USB 
 

N/A
N/A

Recorded Latency 
 

N/A

Recorded Latency Connection  

No Wired Audio
Analog
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Bluetooth Connection 
 

8.2
7.2

Bluetooth Version 
 

5.2
5.3

Multi-Device Pairing 
 

Bluetooth + Console/Non-BT Wireless
No

Quick Pair (Android) 
 

No
No

Quick Pair (iOS) 
 

No
No

Line Of Sight Range 
 

322.83 ft (98.40 m)
272.31 ft (83.00 m)

Latency - SBC 
 

249 ms
139 ms

Latency - aptX 
 

N/A
N/A

Latency - aptX Adaptive (High Quality) 
 

N/A
N/A

Latency - aptX Adaptive (Low Latency) 
 

N/A
N/A

Latency - LDAC 
 

N/A
N/A

Recorded Latency 
 

Recorded Latency Codec  

SBC
SBC

AAC Support 
 

Yes
No
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Wireless Connection (Dongle) 
 

8.7
8.0

Line Of Sight Range 
 

276.57 ft (84.30 m)
211.61 ft (64.50 m)

Latency - Dongle 
 

43 ms
27 ms

Recorded Latency 
 

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PC Compatibility 
 

Analog 
 

No
Audio + Microphone

Wired USB 
 

No
No

Non-BT Wireless 
 

Audio + Microphone
Audio + Microphone
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PlayStation Compatibility 
 

PS4 Analog 
 

No
Audio + Microphone

PS4 Wired USB 
 

No
No

PS4 Non-BT Wireless 
 

Audio + Microphone
Audio + Microphone

PS5 Analog 
 

No
Audio + Microphone

PS5 Wired USB 
 

No
No

PS5 Non-BT Wireless 
 

Audio + Microphone
Audio + Microphone
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Xbox Compatibility 
 

Xbox One Analog 
 

No
Audio + Microphone

Xbox One Wired USB 
 

No
No

Xbox One Non-BT Wireless 
 

No
No

Xbox Series X|S Analog 
 

No
Audio + Microphone

Xbox Series X|S Wired USB 
 

No
No

Xbox Series X|S Non-BT Wireless 
 

No
No
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Base/Dock 
 

3.4
6.4

Type 
 

Wireless USB Dongle
Wireless USB Dongle

USB Input 
 

Yes
Yes

Line In 
 

No
Yes

Line Out 
 

No
No

Optical Input 
 

No
No

RCA Input 
 

No
No

Dock Charging 
 

No
No

Power Supply 
 

USB
USB
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    BFI input lag would be great, thank you!

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    We can’t say for sure, because we haven’t tested it ourselves, but in our experience, it would be surprising if it had any sort of noticeable impact. We added this to our retest queue though, and we’ll do our best to verify it ASAP

    Sounds great, thank you.

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    So BFI enabled at 60hz still gives you a 9ms input lag? On the G1 and G2 Oled tvs, BFI raises input lag to 30ms. Just wondering if the s95c gives a lower input lag with BFI enabled.

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    Thanks! Did you check bfi game mode? I am getting 29ms but for whatever reason it feels significantly more responsive then any other game mode! Is that because the clarity is so much better than without bfi? I also have a G1 and even though my 4k Leo Bodnar shows the same 29ms lag, the G2 just feels way more responsive with bfi! It is very bizarre in a good way :)

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    PSA Newest firmware has now fixed this issue, it only took a year but better late then never :)

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    Hey there! Thanks for reaching out! By default, the 120hz during game mode does cause duplication with 60hz content, so we do expect the QN85a to have this same problem if that’s all you do. (We can’t say for sure though as we haven’t tested for this) That said, if you don’t mind adding extra flicker though (for a clear image but no duplication), you can enable ‘LED CLear Motion’. Hope this helps! :)

    Does LED Clear Motion add any input lag?

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    Could you post a photo? Is it more like the QN85A reflection?

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    I purchased a 43" X800H about 2 weeks ago and had the input lag issue. Applied the newest firmware but that did not fix it. This “Simple IP Control” setting change has resolved it for me. Really enjoying the screen now :)

    This appears to have worked for me too now, thank you!

    Edited 3 years ago: This work did not work. New firmware just released actually now fixes this problem.
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    Hi there, Thanks for the detailed message, we really appreciate! As for your suggestion, I think that’s a very good point. I also shared it with our team and they agreed. We’re going to add it to our test bench suggestions so we’ll consider adding it in a future update! As for HDMI VRR Forum, the Xbox supports Freesync and HDMI VRR. On the LG, you can disable the freesync specifically and the xbox vrr still works, meaning we can confirm HDMI VRR. On the other hand, there’s no way to eliminate all other variables and just check for HDMI VRR on the Samsung. That said, HDMI VRR is probably supported on the Samsung, but there is no way for us to be 100% certain. Hope that helps! :)

    Hi Dylan! Can you confirm the qn90a and qn85a running at 960hz pwm with VRR enabled in game mode like the q90t you confirmed? This is all I need in order to purchase as my eyes cannot handle 120hz pwm. Thank you in advance!

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    Thanks! I disabled dimming via the Service panel mode for PC which helped a lot, since I’m in game mode on PC and colors/contrast is pretty insane ( till I look at an insanely high contrast monitor ) so hoping to see somewhat of an improvement on the Q90A given that it can get deeper darks, should make brighter colors pop even more, hopefully the gamut hasn’t dropped from that of the 90T, I do miss the 70 series but after last years debacle sticking w/ the 90’s from now on.

    What do you mean by disabled dimming in the service menu?

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    Been waiting for a 50" that have everything I was looking for. Full glass glossy panel, 4k 120hz, VRR, Hdmi 2.1, good viewing angle. I bought this purely as a computer monitor since all the monitor have dull and ugly matted coating that I can’t stand. I rather see my reflection then grainy coating all over the screen. The main thing I was concern with is the blooming. I had bought and return a 55" q90t, Hisense 55" H9G, and 49" x950h which all have awful blooming and shitty semi glossy screen except the q90t. Qn90a barely have any blooming from my short test. Didn’t get the 55 q80t because that screen have gamma shift and cause rainbow effect on the screen just slightly shifting my head when I was looking at it in store. Bought this on a monday online at bestbuy and was delivery friday. Picture looks perfectly good too. I have a 77" oled and the oled looks dim in comparison now.

    How is the reflecrion handling on the 50 inch? Does it look like it has the rainbow effect from the ultra wide viewing coating?

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    Yes. This has been on our to-do list for a while, but we haven’t been able to do it yet. As soon as we test it we will post an update to the review and here.

    Thank you Adam, you guys are doing a fantastic job!

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    Unfortunately, we no longer have the Z9D, so we aren’t able to retest this.

    Are you able to test any of the Sony tvs like the 900f with Oreo? I would assume all x1 extreme sets would have similar numbers.

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    Are you able to test any of the Sony tvs like the 900f with Oreo? I would assume all x1 extreme sets would have similar numbers.