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CMF Buds Pro 2 Headphones Review

Tested using Methodology v1.8
Reviewed Apr 09, 2025 at 09:24 am
CMF Buds Pro 2 Picture
6.4
Neutral Sound
7.9
Commute/Travel
8.1
Sports/Fitness
7.0
Office
5.3
Wireless Gaming
5.2
Wired Gaming
6.8
Phone Calls

The CMF Buds Pro 2 are stemmed Bluetooth earbuds equipped with active noise cancelling (ANC). CMF is an offshoot of the Nothing brand that aims to offer affordable headphones with feature sets that rival those of more expensive wireless in-ears. The Buds Pro 2 use the same app as Nothing earbuds but with slightly different features, so if you're familiar with the quirks of Nothing products, you'll feel at home. These opaque and monochromatic earbuds use touch-sensitive controls with a unique rotating and clickable dial on the case for additional commands.

Our Verdict

6.4 Neutral Sound

The CMF Buds Pro 2 are okay for neutral sound. You can tailor their bassy and warm tuning by using the three-band EQ or choosing an EQ preset, and combine either with Ultra Bass to inject more low-end into your audio. They're very consistent sounding across wearers and their LDAC codec lets you listen to Hi-Res audio files. The app has some DSP you can use to get a spatial audio feature. That said, the default frequency response may be too warm or bassy out of the box for your tastes.

Pros
  • Customizable EQ.

Cons
  • Bassy default sound depends on your preferences.

7.9 Commute/Travel

The CMF Buds Pro 2 are very good for traveling and commuting. The portable, lightweight design is easy to stow in your bag, and the effective and adjustable noise isolation means you can choose a setting based on how noisy the bus or airplane cabin is. They're decently comfortable, and the control scheme lends itself well to customizing your experience. On the other hand, the continuous battery life is long enough for shorter plane rides, but the buds will need a recharge if you're doing an extended trip.

Pros
  • Low leakage.

  • Customizable EQ.

  • Very good noise isolation performance.

  • Lightweight and portable.

Cons
  • Continuous battery life is just okay.

8.1 Sports/Fitness

The CMF Buds Pro 2 are great for sports and fitness. They're portable, well-built, and IP-rated against dust and water. Their ample low-end holds down the beat during your workout, and the battery lasts long enough to get through a few trips to the gym. The buds feel comfortable and lightweight, though how well they can stay in-ear depends on the fit you achieve because they lack stabilizers and are a bit chunky. Still, the noise isolation means you can focus at the gym without outside distractions.

Pros
  • Very good noise isolation performance.

  • Lightweight and portable.

Cons
  • Lacks stabilizers or hooks, so fit depends on your ear shape.

7.0 Office

The CMF Buds Pro 2 are decent for office work. Their noise isolation is good for cutting out chit-chat and HVAC systems so you can focus on tasks. Their multi-device pairing makes it easy to switch between devices. They feel decently comfortable to wear for extended sessions, and they're lightweight, too. However, the battery life isn't long enough to last through an entire workday without a recharge. If you take many calls, the mic is okay for the occasional meeting, but it's not a substitute for a headset microphone.

Pros
  • Low leakage.

  • Very good noise isolation performance.

Cons
  • Continuous battery life is just okay.

  • Mic sounds passable, but not good.

5.3 Wireless Gaming

The CMF Buds Pro 2 aren't suitable for wireless gaming. Despite having a Low Lag mode, the Bluetooth earbuds still exhibit high enough latency that you may experience a mismatch between your game's visuals and the audio.

5.2 Wired Gaming

The CMF Buds Pro 2 wireless earbuds can't be used for wired gaming because they're Bluetooth-only.

6.8 Phone Calls

The CMF Buds Pro 2 are alright for phone calls. The mic sounds passable, albeit thin, and they do a decent job of separating out background noise from your voice. There's no sidetone, but the dedicated controls make calls easy to control via the buds. The ANC is strong enough that calls in busy locations won't distract you from hearing the caller. You may be hampered by the battery life if you take several phone calls back-to-back. While the multi-device pairing means you can connect your PC and phone, the connection doesn't seamlessly swap devices when a call comes in if you're listening to audio on your PC.

Pros
  • Low leakage.

Cons
  • Continuous battery life is just okay.

  • Mic sounds passable, but not good.

  • 6.4 Neutral Sound
  • 7.9 Commute/Travel
  • 8.1 Sports/Fitness
  • 7.0 Office
  • 5.3 Wireless Gaming
  • 5.2 Wired Gaming
  • 6.8 Phone Calls

Changelog

  1. Updated Apr 09, 2025: Review published.
  2. Updated Apr 02, 2025: Early access published.
  3. Updated Mar 20, 2025: Our testers have started testing this product.
  4. Updated Aug 28, 2024: The product has arrived in our lab, and our testers will start evaluating it soon.
  5. Updated Aug 15, 2024: We've purchased the product and are waiting for it to arrive in our lab.

Differences Between Sizes And Variants

The CMF Buds Pro 2 come in 'Dark Grey,' 'Light Grey,' 'Orange,' and 'Blue.' Our unit is 'Dark Grey'; you can see their label here. We expect the color variants to perform very similarly to our unit.

If you encounter another variant of these headphones, please let us know in the comments, and we'll update our review.

Compared To Other Headphones

The CMF Buds Pro 2 have a lot in common with products like the Nothing Ear and Nothing Ear (a). For starters, the Nothing X app works very similarly for the CMF buds as it does for the Nothing Ear (a), with an equivalent three-band EQ. The Buds Pro 2 differ from the Nothing line by adding Dirac Opteo, a digital signal processor (DSP) that alters the sound, in this case, lending a bassier tuning than the Nothing line's default tuning. While the Nothing Ear have IP ratings for the earbuds and the case, the Buds Pro 2 only have an IP rating for the earbuds; little details like that, alongside touch controls on the CMF, in contrast to pinch controls on the Nothing line, are other points of difference to consider. Still, there are other competitors, such as the OnePlus Buds 3, which trade blows with the Buds Pro 2 when it comes to battery life, noise isolation, Bluetooth connectivity, and controls. Out of the box, the OnePlus are brighter, but that's really a matter of taste and possibly addressed through equalization. It's a crowded market, and the Buds Pro 2's charging case with a dial for additional controls helps them stand out from the barrage of stemmed Bluetooth buds out there.

For more options, check out the best noise cancelling earbuds, the best wireless earbuds under $100, and the best wireless earbuds for Android.

Test Results

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Design
Design
Style
Type In-ear
Enclosure Closed-Back
Wireless Truly Wireless
Transducer Dynamic

The CMF Buds Pro 2 look a lot like other stemmed earbuds that borrow the basic shape from Apple AirPods Pro (2nd generation) lineage. They use a mixture of glossy and matte plastics for added visual interest in an otherwise mostly monochromatic or tonal scheme. The outer edge of the stems is matte with subtle branding, too. Available in 'Dark Grey,' 'Light Grey,' 'Orange,' and 'Blue,' each set comes with a matching squarish case that includes a dial. The solid colors are a visual departure from the translucent retro-futuristic look of the Nothing Ear, produced by the parent company.

7.0
Design
Comfort
Weight 0.02 lbs
Clamping Force
0 lbs

The earbuds feel decently comfortable. They're lightweight with three sizes of oblong silicone ear tips. Since they're light and don't fit too deeply in-ear, you won't feel a lot of pressure. That said, the buds are on the larger size and can inch out over time, requiring adjustment. Compared to more ergonomic designs or ones with additional stabilizers, their fit and comfort can vary depending on your ear shape.

7.6
Design
Controls
OS Compatibility
Not OS specific
Ease Of Use Decent
Feedback Good
Call/Music Control Yes
Volume Control Yes
Microphone Control No
Channel Mixing
No
Noise Cancelling Control On/Off
Talk-Through
On/Off
Additional Controls Voice Assistant

The CMF Buds Pro 2 have good controls overall. Out of the box, the touch commands on the buds are intuitive. You can view the default controls for the left bud and right bud. They chime to indicate pairing status or when you enter a command. You can reassign these commands within their app to suit your needs, alongside the extra controls you can map onto the case's rotating and clickable dial. However, the case's controls are disabled by default, and it's possible (if you assign controls to the wheel) to accidentally trigger a command when the case is stowed in your pocket. Still, the option to add extra functions to the wheel is handy.

The touch controls on the buds are also a bit fussy and don't consistently respond, occasionally misfiring the number of taps you enter, though. On the upside, having more than a single tap somewhat mitigates accidentally registering a command.

9.5
Design
Portability
L 1.3" (3.4 cm)
W 1.1" (2.7 cm)
H 0.8" (2.1 cm)
Volume 1.18 in³ (19.28 cm³)
Transmitter Required No

These earbuds are remarkably portable, as you'd expect from Bluetooth buds. You can easily fit them into your pockets.

7.5
Design
Case
Type Hard case
L 2.1" (5.4 cm)
W 2.1" (5.4 cm)
H 0.9" (2.3 cm)
Volume 4.09 in³ (67.07 cm³)

The charging case is good. Its squarish shape resembles the Nothing Ear's case silhouette with a clamshell opening design that lets it sit on a flat surface without sliding around. It charges via USB-C but not wirelessly. A pairing button resides inside the case and a single LED on the outside indicates pairing and battery charge statuses. The rotating control wheel is the only point of possible weakness and seems a bit flimsier than the rest of the case.

7.5
Design
Build Quality

The CMF Buds Pro 2 are well built. The buds and case are made of good-quality plastic and silicone for the ear tips. The buds don't have obvious or rough seams to irritate your ears. There's some conflict on the product page and box as to whether the earbuds are rated IP55 or IP54 for dust and water resistance, but we don't perform compliance tests. In any case, they ought to stand up to raindrops and a bit of dust exposure.

The case's magnets and hinges feel sturdy, while the plastic has a pleasing matte texture. That said, the control wheel on the case feels a bit flimsy and it shifts a bit when clicking or rotating it.

7.5
Design
Stability

The earbuds have good stability. For everyday activities like walks, office work, and commutes, they stay in when you tilt your head or lightly shake it. However, their in-ear fit isn't very deep, so more vigorous movements can knock them loose since their plastic isn't grippy, and neither are the ear tips.

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Design
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Design
In The Box

  • CMF Buds Pro 2
  • Charging case
  • USB-A to USB-C charging cable (26.7cm / 10.5 inches)
  • 3x pairs of ear tips (S, M, L)
  • Safety information booklet
  • Connection guide booklet

Sound
Sound
Sound Profile
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Normalization Frequency
500 Hz
Bass Amount
8.5 dB
Treble Amount
-3.2 dB

When the Dirac Opteo setting is enabled with ANC on, the CMF Buds Pro 2 have a bassy and somewhat warm sound profile. Across the low-end, a big dose of extra rumble, punch, and boom is boosted, suiting dance and hip-hop genres well. The mid-range is tilted to emphasize low-mids like bass guitar harmonics. Meanwhile, vocals sound less present in the mix due to the relative de-emphasis in the high-mids through low-treble, which sounds warm or dull, depending on the track. A sharp boost to the mid-treble injects the mix with extra detail that can also come across as a little shrill. This tuning has more in common with the Anker Soundcore Liberty 4 NC Truly Wireless than the Nothing Ear (a) that the CMF shares their app with.

Through the app, you can access other EQ presets. If you choose to connect via the LDAC codec, it disables the Dirac Opteo setting. In addition to the EQ presets, you can enable the Ultra Bass setting, which does what it says on the tin by upping the bass in the frequency response. While the sound profile mostly adheres to the same curve, there's a bit less bass and treble and a little more mid-range when you disable ANC.

8.9
Sound
Frequency Response Consistency
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Avg. Std. Deviation
0.23 dB

The earbuds' frequency response consistency is impressive. There's very little deviation in the bass through the mids between seatings. While treble varies a little, it's not a massive difference between wears, ensuring your audio sounds nearly the same between listening sessions.

Sound
Raw Frequency Response
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6.2
Sound
Bass Profile: Target Compliance
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RMS Deviation From Target
8.6 dB
Low-Frequency Extension
20 Hz
Low Bass
9.39 dB
Mid Bass
9.27 dB
High Bass
6.32 dB

The bass compliance is passable with our target response profile. The entire region is boosted for ample thump and punch, which you might enjoy if you like that extra low-end oomph on sub-bass synths and kicks on songs like No Business by Durand Bernarr and E-Whizz. Still, the added bass can make it harder for vocals and leads in other frequency ranges to come through with clarity.

7.8
Sound
Mid-Range Profile: Target Compliance
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RMS Deviation From Target
2.11 dB
Low Mid
2.98 dB
Mid-Mid
-0.42 dB
High Mid
-0.95 dB

The mid-range target compliance is very good. Although it tilts to emphasize the low-mids and slightly de-emphasize the high-mids, it's mostly balanced for melodic instruments and speech to sound mostly natural. The low-mid boost can sound somewhat muddy in busy mixes, though.

5.8
Sound
Treble Profile: Target Compliance
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RMS Deviation From Target
4.33 dB
Low Treble
-5.17 dB
Mid Treble
-0.55 dB
High Treble
-5.88 dB

The treble compliance is middling. The low-treble range is relatively de-emphasized, which warms up vocals but can sound dull. A peak in the mid-treble brightens up sibilants (S and T sounds) and the harmonics of cymbal hits, but it can sound a bit piercing.

8.1
Sound
Peaks/Dips
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Peaks
1.02 dB
Dips
1.78 dB

Their peaks and dips performance is great. There are small wobbles, which are subtle through the bass and mid-range, producing a smooth sound. The low-treble has a small peak that is a little harsh, followed by a dip that slightly dulls vocals. A peak in the mid-treble causes cymbals to jump out in the mix as somewhat piercing, while the dips and peaks in the upper treble can depend on your hearing sensitivity.

not tested
Sound
Imaging
Weighted Group Delay
N/A
Weighted Phase Mismatch
N/A
Weighted Amplitude Mismatch
N/A
Weighted Frequency Mismatch
N/A

We encountered issues measuring the imaging results with these earbuds with our testing rig. However, we didn't notice issues with use or with other testing equipment. We'll update this section in the future.

0.9
Sound
Passive Soundstage
PRTF Accuracy (Std. Dev.)
N/A
PRTF Size (Avg.)
N/A
PRTF Distance
N/A
Openness
2.1
Acoustic Space Excitation
1.7

These are in-ear fitting buds and as a result they bypass your pinnas, which correlate with your perception of direction and distance. They're also closed-backed, so they don't interact with your environment to create an open sound.

2.0
Sound
Virtual Soundstage
Head Modeling
No
Speaker Modeling
On/Off
Room Ambience
No
Head Tracking
No
Virtual Surround
Spatial Audio

Through the Nothing X app, you can access the spatial audio effect. It's created by DSP, so it applies an effect to your audio regardless of whether it has been mixed and mastered specifically for the spatial audio effect. Functionally, it's a bit sparse and doesn't track your head movements, which would make it feel more immersive like the Apple AirPods Pro (2nd generation)'s Spatialize implementation. Still, it's an interesting way to hear your music differently or experiment with making an action movie seem more engaging.

8.4
Sound
Weighted Harmonic Distortion
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WHD @ 90
0.158
WHD @ 100
0.075

The CMF Buds Pro 2 have impressive weighted harmonic distortion. Across the audible frequency range at lower and high volumes, they output little distortion, leading to a pure and clean signal.

Sound
Test Settings
Firmware
0.0.8.1
Power
On
Connection
Bluetooth 5.3
Codec
SBC, 16-bit, 48kHz
Test Instrument Audio Precision APx517B
EQ
Dirac Opteo
ANC
High
Tip/Pad
Silicone (small)
Microphone
Integrated

These are the settings used to test these earbuds. Our results are only valid when using them in this configuration.

Isolation
7.9
Isolation
Noise Isolation - Full Range
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Noise Cancelling Yes
Overall Attenuation
-20.56 dB
Bass
-19.75 dB
Mid
-21.56 dB
Treble
-20.44 dB

The CMF Buds Pro 2 have very good noise isolation. With the ANC set to 'High,' they cut out low-pitched noise well, as well as mid-range sounds like office chit-chat. You can also choose 'Adaptive' mode, which seems to perform similarly to 'High,' or choose a lower strength for less environmental isolation, as shown for comparison. While the buds have a fit test in the app to help you find the best ear tip size, the buds don't passively block shrill noises super consistently. That means some high-pitched noises can stick out more than others, depending on the frequency.

8.5
Isolation
Noise Isolation - Common Scenarios
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Airplane Noise Attenuation
-20.35 dB
Airplane Noise Isolation Audio
Office Noise Attenuation
-18.91 dB
Office Noise Isolation Audio
Street Noise Attenuation
-21.92 dB
Street Noise Isolation Audio

The CMF Buds Pro 2 have impressive noise isolation in common scenarios. They attenuate deep noises like street construction, alongside airplane din, and shrill racket such as squeaky brakes well. They perform similarly to the affordable Anker Soundcore Space A40 Truly Wireless, which edge ahead when it comes to office noises.

Isolation
Noise Isolation - Voice Handling
Female Voice 1
Male Voice 1
Female Voice 2
Male Voice 2
Isolation
ANC Wind Handling
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ANC Wind Noise

These don't have a dedicated wind mode to mitigate the noises produced by ANC when wind interacts with the mics. That said, the amount of unwanted noises from the interaction with wind that reach your ears depends on the angle of the wind blowing.

8.5
Isolation
Leakage
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Leakage Audio
Overall Leakage @ 1ft
30.57 dB

Their leakage performance is excellent. Depending on your environment and how high your volume is set, most people won't hear your audio. But if they do, they'll hear a very thin version of your audio. 

Microphone
Microphone
Microphone Style
Integrated
Yes
In-Line
No
Boom
No
Detachable Boom
No
Mic Yes
6.0
Microphone
Recording Quality
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Recorded Speech
LFE
570.18 Hz
FR Std. Dev.
4.1 dB
HFE
6,001.45 Hz
Weighted THD
0.381
Gain
-23.77 dB

The microphone system is passable. It captures your voice intelligibly because it includes most of the range where human voices reside. But it cuts the lows, thinning out your voice a bit, and also boosts frequencies where sibilants occur, which can make your voice sound artificially piercing.

7.4
Microphone
Noise Handling
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SpNR
20.04 dB
Noise Gate
Always On
Speech + Pink Noise Handling
7.0
Speech + Pink Noise Audio Sample
Speech + Subway Noise Handling
8.0
Speech + Subway Noise Audio Sample

The mic's noise handling is satisfactory. It prioritizes your voice, but because the noise gating is constantly adjusting, intermittent background noise still comes through at times. Sudden sounds like trains are mostly filtered out, so callers can still hear you speaking.

Active Features
7.1
Active Features
Battery
Battery Type
Rechargable
Continuous Battery Life
6.5 hrs
Additional Charges
3.0
Total Battery Life
26 hrs
Charge Time
0.75 hrs
Power-Saving Feature
Standby mode
Audio While Charging
Yes
Passive Playback
No
Charging Port USB-C

The battery performance is satisfactory. With ANC on, the continuous battery life measured was 6.5 hours, which lines up well with the advertised battery life (when using the AAC codec). It's a little shorter than the more upscale Nothing Ear but longer-lasting than the pared-back Nothing Ear (a). The case provides an extra three charges and recharges the buds fully in under an hour. A quick charge of 10 minutes is advertised to yield 1.8 hours of playback with ANC. Depending on how you use the earbuds, it affects the battery life, so if you take a lot of calls, it reduces the battery life slightly, and the LDAC codec decreases the playback time to only 4.3 hours, according to the manufacturer.

7.5
Active Features
App Support
App Name Nothing X
iOS Yes
Android Yes
macOS No
Windows No
Equalizer
Graphic + Presets
ANC Control
Presets
Mic Control No
Room Effects
No
Playback Control
No
Button Mapping Yes
Surround Support
Yes

Despite the brand name of CMF, the earbuds use their parent company's Nothing X app, which works with Android and iOS. Its functionality is good—in use, it's very similar to the Nothing Ear (a) with EQ presets and a three-band EQ, while lacking the more comprehensive graphic EQ with Q-factor supported on the Nothing Ear. If you want even more bass, you can choose Ultra Bass to augment any of the EQ presets. Take a look at the tour of the app.

It includes a fit test, alongside letting you remap the controls to your tastes and allocate commands to the charging case's wheel. You can adjust the strength of ANC or enable Transparency mode. Low-lag mode and LDAC codecs are available connection options, too, though using LDAC disables the Dirac Opteo sound mode. Control over multi-pair with two devices, and Find My Earbuds help you manage the buds. In lieu of a traditional voice assistant, you can integrate ChatGPT, which is more streamlined if you also get the CMF Phone 1 to match. However, unlike Apple, most of the functions are available outside of the CMF/Nothing ecosystem.

Connectivity
0
Connectivity
Wired Connection
Analog Audio
No
USB Audio
No
Detachable
No
Length
N/A
Connector
No Wired Option
Latency - Analog
N/A
Latency - USB
N/A
Recorded Latency
N/A
Recorded Latency Connection No Wired Audio

These Bluetooth earbuds only use their USB-A to USB-C cable to charge their case.

8.9
Connectivity
Bluetooth Connection
Bluetooth Version
5.3
Multi-Device Pairing
2 Devices
Quick Pair (Android)
Yes
Quick Pair (iOS)
No
Line Of Sight Range
334.65 ft (102.00 m)
Latency - SBC
194 ms
Latency - aptX
N/A
Latency - aptX Adaptive (High Quality)
N/A
Latency - aptX Adaptive (Low Latency)
N/A
Latency - LDAC
287 ms
Recorded Latency
Recorded Latency Codec SBC
AAC Support
Yes

The CMF Buds Pro 2 have excellent Bluetooth connectivity. They can connect over AAC, LDAC, or the standard SBC codecs. You can enable Dual Connection via the app to pair a second device, though it's not a seamless connection, and you need to manually switch devices through the app. The app has a Low Lag mode, which was enabled for the measurements shown, so depending on your device and app, you may still experience A/V mismatch with videos. They support Google Fast Pair and Microsoft Swift Pair with compatible devices, but don't quick pair to iOS.

0
Connectivity
Wireless Connection (Dongle)
Line Of Sight Range
N/A
Latency - Dongle
N/A
Recorded Latency
N/A
Connectivity
PC Compatibility
Analog
No
Wired USB
No
Non-BT Wireless
No

You can connect the earbuds to Bluetooth-compatible PCs for full mic and audio support.

Connectivity
PlayStation Compatibility
PS4 Analog
No
PS4 Wired USB
No
PS4 Non-BT Wireless
No
PS5 Analog
No
PS5 Wired USB
No
PS5 Non-BT Wireless
No
Connectivity
Xbox Compatibility
Xbox One Analog
No
Xbox One Wired USB
No
Xbox One Non-BT Wireless
No
Xbox Series X|S Analog
No
Xbox Series X|S Wired USB
No
Xbox Series X|S Non-BT Wireless
No
2.2
Connectivity
Base/Dock
Type
Charging Case
USB Input
No
Line In
No
Line Out
No
Optical Input
No
RCA Input
No
Dock Charging
Yes
Power Supply
USB-C

The case's battery only charges via its USB-C port and holds up to three extra recharges for the earbuds.

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    It has been nearly 6 months since you purchased this product but no progress has been submitted in this page ever since, I want an update on the process at the very least. I’m eager to see the results specially in the “neutral sound” section.

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    I know the Test Bench 1.8 was just released, but is there an ETA on the review? I’ve been waiting on the review release to see if I pick up a pair or not.

    Hi there and thanks for reaching out! As you mentioned, we’ve been busy updating batches of headphones to Test Bench 1.8 in an effort to ensure we can make effective comparisons between current products and newer ones we test. Unfortunately this has created a bit of a backlog of new headphones that we’re waiting to test, but it seems the CMF Buds Pro 2 are next in line for testing. We’ll update this page as soon as testing begins. but it’s hard to give an ETA beyond this, sorry!