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Ok thank you. Exactly what I needed to know. And wanted to mention, after inquiring about the issue, I found out the motion bug was introduced in firmware 1410. A fix was later attempted by Samsung in firmware 2011, but did not resolve the issue. Could be why you guys didn’t experience the problem when testing.
I watch everything in game mode due to bad audio sync with my denon receiver. I don’t notice any awful banding or upscaling issues. Of course, I’m not as rigorous in my testing compared to rtings lol
Thanks. But what about the viewing angles and colour shift?
The videos rtings posted regarding the viewing angles is pretty accurate. I don’t have the monitor super close to my face like some people like. It’s about 1.5ft - 2ft away from me and I don’t notice any issues.
I used to game on my VA Samsung tvs and the smearing was AWFUL on those. So I’d consider myself moderately sensitive to smearing.
However, I’m red-green color blind and color shift isn’t noticeable to me. Changes in brightness due to viewing angles are noticeable to me and I don’t see this in my usage with this monitor.
I have never seen a monitor with VA panel in person, so I have no idea what black smearing looks like.
Do you think it would be very noticeable on this particular one when playing shooter type of games? It’s not the kind of game I play often, but is one of the main reasons why I am looking for 60Hz+ monitor.
Other than that, do you think this monitor would be good enough for colour-critical work? I do photography as hobby and work in Adobe Lightroom relatively often, even if only as a hobby. I am looking for decent panel uniformity. As long as it’s calibratable in sRGB mode I guess I am fine, but like I said, I have zero experience with VA panels so I haev no idea how they fare in this category.
I have this monitor, and I don’t notice any smearing during gameplay. I’m sure it’s there - but I’m thinking you really have to look for it. Set overdrive to medium and don’t break out the magnifying glass.
Anyone with S90C 83" with WOLED panel, experienced any burn in while playing games ?
I’ve been playing a games on this tv since we got it November last year, and I haven’t noticed any burn in. I use a pc, with the taskbar set to “auto-hide” and I avoid games with egregious static elements (like Stardew Valley). I keep those strictly on my TN monitor.
I am playing through horizon zero dawn which has a rather prominently colored static health bar and I haven’t noticed any burn in.
I wouldn’t because of material quality, mine cracked in a few months and had to use epoxy to fix them somewhat. I don’t have a big head, they are good for traveling and they sound good specially if you bother to eq them, i had issues with the mic due to people finding it very screechy on discord but fixed it with the mic noise settings… I liked them… But they just cracked so fast. Also… If you do get them be careful with updating them, my first pair bricked but had Amazon replace them… From time to time when my zen hybrid pro die I’ll use them for a bit but am always wary when I put them on cause of the cracks, same with my old barracuda x
Thanks for the heads up. I grabbed the EPOS H3pro on clearance at Best Buy for $112.99. So far so good. It checked all the boxes and comes with a detachable boom mic instead of tinny integrated mics. I have no rtings.com review to compare it to but they sound great to me. Lots of reviews complaining about connectivity issues but I haven’t had issues so far.
I use this as a PC monitor and I have some ideas based on my experience. Set the taskbar to automatically hide. Also don’t use desktop icons (or in my case, put them on your second monitor that is not an OLED screen). I use this TV as my main screen so I can launch the games to it, but I do all the typical computer stuff on my second TN panel monitor.
Really looking for a great pair of wireless PC gaming headphones with low latency that don’t cost my left Kidney. Glances angrily at Razer Barracuda Pros
I have this issue with internal apps and external devices. The varying degree of delay is what makes this frustrating to solve. No one setting fits all sources.
An eARC receiver did not solve my issue. Audio is randomly out of sync. It’s different every time you start watching something. Sometimes it’s even behind and unfixable. Samsung is criminal.
I have this issue with internal apps and external devices. The varying degree of delay is what makes this frustrating to solve. No one setting fits all sources.
I’ve been having difficulty getting audio to sync on this tv. I had zero issues on my q90r. I’m currently using ARC, but I have purchased an eARC receiver to see if it resolves the issue. It does occur over the TV speakers as well. The delay changes depending on the app, anywhere from 40ms with YouTube to 450ms using ANY 4kHDR content. When connecting my PC, the audio is actually BEHIND the video. Which is impossible to fix using tv/avr settings
Has anyone else experience this?
I do have the 83” version, but I imagine the audio settings are virtually the same.
I feel like Samsung has baited and switched on me. My wife just purchased the S90C at my recommendation for Black Friday, but she picked the 83 inch…I truly hope the picture quality is not disappointing
As long as ads don’t take over my screen or load mid-way through scrolling the site, they don’t bother me. I’d prefer a banner ad at the top of my screen as opposed to a paywall. Just my two-cents.
I’m guessing that you may have VRR/Freesync/Gsync enabled on your console or PC. You’ll see a huge improvement in quality if you disable this. Hopefully Samsung will fix VRR mode soon as it looks quite bad right now (elevated and crushed blacks and dimmed whites, plus poor color accuracy).
No VRR. I’ve tried to both ways. Tons of troubleshooting on my part. I’m currently using pass through on a receiver for audio quality. But I’ve tried direct tv connection. Only way I don’t get insane blooming is with game mode off. Vincent does a video on this on his YouTube channel for hdtv test.
I think the switch is just horrendously optimized for gameplay. I have one as well, but I don’t play games that require reflexes for this exact reason.
The content on this website is superb. You review what people vote on, and give recommendations in finely crafted articles that are frequently updated. Expecting a newly added television to have comparisons immediately is unrealistic.
I agree, but I fear this may be impossible to test. OLED has ABL, which is why I’ve resisted OLED so far. And Samsung has nice TVs but the brightness change with subtitles is annoying. I also see random dimming from CE dimming, which I’ve tried to disable via the service menu, but I still see my issue from time to time. Maybe the test could be a simple one like ad-free? All or nothing kind of score?
Game mode is awful on Samsung TVs. I’m not sure if there is a solution possible through firmware updates, but for now it’s just awful. I get terrible clouding on my tv. If I turn off game mode, it looks amazing with unacceptable input lag.
That’s a good question. At the moment, we have a subjective evaluation of the upscaling performance. Upscaling preferences vary between people though as some people prefer a sharper image even if it has artifacts while others prefer a softer image, so only if a TV performs really badly (eg. very blocky) then it gets a lower score.
We have looked into an objective test for upscaling, as there are industry metrics like the peak signal to noise ratio (PSNR) to determine how well an upscaled image matches the reference original. This is extremely hard for us to evaluate though, as we can’t obtain a pixel-perfect image of the screen.
If you have any ideas for how we can improve it, then please let us know.
It was more out of curiosity. I just feel like upscaling methodology that tv manufacturers use is going to be the next big marketing gimmick because it is hard to verify and compare performance. You folks do an awesome job. Thanks for the response.
I have this TV, and I’m watching subtitles content with my wife right now. The issue still persists. It’s annoying to me, but my wife doesn’t notice it.
Definitely panel issues with Q9fn. Most of these issues are counteracted by local dimming, but it is still noticeable if you know what you’re looking for. And I haven’t experienced issues with sound, but I’m more focused on picture quality myself. My receiver and speaker setup doesn’t even have ARC. I’m still using optical.
I hunted for dead pixel. I found four. They do not bother me, but they agreed to send a tech and if I can show them to him, he will replace the panel/tv.
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I watch everything in game mode due to bad audio sync with my denon receiver. I don’t notice any awful banding or upscaling issues. Of course, I’m not as rigorous in my testing compared to rtings lol
The videos rtings posted regarding the viewing angles is pretty accurate. I don’t have the monitor super close to my face like some people like. It’s about 1.5ft - 2ft away from me and I don’t notice any issues.
I used to game on my VA Samsung tvs and the smearing was AWFUL on those. So I’d consider myself moderately sensitive to smearing.
However, I’m red-green color blind and color shift isn’t noticeable to me. Changes in brightness due to viewing angles are noticeable to me and I don’t see this in my usage with this monitor.
I have this monitor, and I don’t notice any smearing during gameplay. I’m sure it’s there - but I’m thinking you really have to look for it. Set overdrive to medium and don’t break out the magnifying glass.
Are there any budget oled options yet?
I’ve been playing a games on this tv since we got it November last year, and I haven’t noticed any burn in. I use a pc, with the taskbar set to “auto-hide” and I avoid games with egregious static elements (like Stardew Valley). I keep those strictly on my TN monitor.
I am playing through horizon zero dawn which has a rather prominently colored static health bar and I haven’t noticed any burn in.
Thanks for the heads up. I grabbed the EPOS H3pro on clearance at Best Buy for $112.99. So far so good. It checked all the boxes and comes with a detachable boom mic instead of tinny integrated mics. I have no rtings.com review to compare it to but they sound great to me. Lots of reviews complaining about connectivity issues but I haven’t had issues so far.
VESA is beholden to these companies. If the certifications are too hard to obtain, they will not succeed as a business.
I use this as a PC monitor and I have some ideas based on my experience. Set the taskbar to automatically hide. Also don’t use desktop icons (or in my case, put them on your second monitor that is not an OLED screen). I use this TV as my main screen so I can launch the games to it, but I do all the typical computer stuff on my second TN panel monitor.
Really looking for a great pair of wireless PC gaming headphones with low latency that don’t cost my left Kidney. Glances angrily at Razer Barracuda Pros
Does the ANC work while using the wired connection? The Q30s I bought have the ANC disabled over a wired connection.
An eARC receiver did not solve my issue. Audio is randomly out of sync. It’s different every time you start watching something. Sometimes it’s even behind and unfixable. Samsung is criminal.
I have this issue with internal apps and external devices. The varying degree of delay is what makes this frustrating to solve. No one setting fits all sources.
I’ve been having difficulty getting audio to sync on this tv. I had zero issues on my q90r. I’m currently using ARC, but I have purchased an eARC receiver to see if it resolves the issue. It does occur over the TV speakers as well. The delay changes depending on the app, anywhere from 40ms with YouTube to 450ms using ANY 4kHDR content. When connecting my PC, the audio is actually BEHIND the video. Which is impossible to fix using tv/avr settings
Has anyone else experience this? I do have the 83” version, but I imagine the audio settings are virtually the same.
Here’s a picture of the sub-pixel layout on the 83 inch variation for those curious.
https://imgur.com/a/pOV8Ro1
Yes. It’s at 4k, but the only option I see is for 120hz
I bought the 83” WOLED variation. I don’t see an option on my computer for 144hz. Is there a specific toggle to enable this?
I feel like Samsung has baited and switched on me. My wife just purchased the S90C at my recommendation for Black Friday, but she picked the 83 inch…I truly hope the picture quality is not disappointing
Unpopular opinion: non-intrusive banner ads.
As long as ads don’t take over my screen or load mid-way through scrolling the site, they don’t bother me. I’d prefer a banner ad at the top of my screen as opposed to a paywall. Just my two-cents.
Yes. I always update hoping the issue is resolved.
No VRR. I’ve tried to both ways. Tons of troubleshooting on my part. I’m currently using pass through on a receiver for audio quality. But I’ve tried direct tv connection. Only way I don’t get insane blooming is with game mode off. Vincent does a video on this on his YouTube channel for hdtv test.
If I can sway your opinion, please buy a better budget tv. Like the hisense.
I think the switch is just horrendously optimized for gameplay. I have one as well, but I don’t play games that require reflexes for this exact reason.
Pay more attention to input lag at native refresh.
The content on this website is superb. You review what people vote on, and give recommendations in finely crafted articles that are frequently updated. Expecting a newly added television to have comparisons immediately is unrealistic.
I agree, but I fear this may be impossible to test. OLED has ABL, which is why I’ve resisted OLED so far. And Samsung has nice TVs but the brightness change with subtitles is annoying. I also see random dimming from CE dimming, which I’ve tried to disable via the service menu, but I still see my issue from time to time. Maybe the test could be a simple one like ad-free? All or nothing kind of score?
Game mode is awful on Samsung TVs. I’m not sure if there is a solution possible through firmware updates, but for now it’s just awful. I get terrible clouding on my tv. If I turn off game mode, it looks amazing with unacceptable input lag.
LG does not support hdr10+. Those technologies are gimmicks, and they crush blacks and whites by expanding the contrast.
It was more out of curiosity. I just feel like upscaling methodology that tv manufacturers use is going to be the next big marketing gimmick because it is hard to verify and compare performance. You folks do an awesome job. Thanks for the response.
I have this TV, and I’m watching subtitles content with my wife right now. The issue still persists. It’s annoying to me, but my wife doesn’t notice it.
I only experienced this in standard mode, noticeably. When switching to movie mode, my issues were gone. Use the rtings recommended settings.
Definitely panel issues with Q9fn. Most of these issues are counteracted by local dimming, but it is still noticeable if you know what you’re looking for. And I haven’t experienced issues with sound, but I’m more focused on picture quality myself. My receiver and speaker setup doesn’t even have ARC. I’m still using optical.
Good news. I’m getting a replacement. They’re going to replace it with a Q90R TV.
I hunted for dead pixel. I found four. They do not bother me, but they agreed to send a tech and if I can show them to him, he will replace the panel/tv.
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